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1 Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:56 pm

Boba Fetts

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Has a draft order been decided?

2 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:03 pm

Potamus Prime

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The deadline for new owners is midnight PST Friday. On Saturday we'll use a 3rd party randomizer website that emails all owners with the draft order.

It will be a modified snake draft that has a 3rd round with the same order as the 2nd to increase parity: 1-19, 19-1, 19-1, 1-19, 19-1, etc...

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3 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:06 pm

Boba Fetts

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Is there a prospect draft this year or are prospects taken in the first draft?

4 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:43 pm

Potamus Prime

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The prospect draft will be in the week following the actual NHL Entry Draft in June. Normally it will be a 4 round draft, but we'll have a vote after the season starts about whether or not to expand it for the first year to 6 rounds.

Players from the 2013 Entry Draft will not be eligible to be drafted this Sunday, and may not be added via waivers during the season (no Nathan McKinnon waiver pickups!). 2013 draftees (along with 2014 draftees) will all be part of our first prospect draft in 2014.

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5 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:51 pm

Boba Fetts

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Just because I like to argue, why not have a prospect draft this year? Make it the reverse order of the NHL draft with four rounds, same kind of reverse snaking, even things up a bit for the guy who has to pick 30th.

6 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:02 pm

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We have some guys who are new to keeper leagues, plus we are going to have expansion after the season (unless we hit 28-30 teams in the next two days -- we're at 21 right now). We'll give expansion teams the first picks (random order), then non-playoff teams (also random order), then playoff teams by round and regular season standings.

I thought you were one of the guys who wanted the prospect draft tied to the NHL Entry Draft? Basically, having two years of prospects in the draft means that new teams will have a shot at a franchise level player, and will help them attain parity within the league quicker.

Three events at the start of the season is a lot for some as well...

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7 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:08 pm

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I did want the prospect draft tied to the entry draft because I thought the pre-season affected the values too much, not because I like to have drafts in June. What you are talking about is a little longer than just a pre-season.

Also giving expansion teams next year a leg up with a potential super-star doesn't seem all that exciting to me. Makes me want to be an expansion team.

8 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:15 pm

Potamus Prime

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Expansion teams will have to compile a roster from players that have been left unprotected. I'd rather have 7 or 8 solid keepers like Crosby, Huberdeau, etc etc than McKinnon and expansion players.

from our constitution:
• In a year where there is going to be an Expansion Draft, owners will be asked to create an Expansion Draft Protection List prior to the Expansion Draft. This is NOT the same thing as the standard Protection List (discussed above).
• The Expansion Draft Protection List would be due by August 15th (date subject to change).
• Depending on the number of franchises joining the league, current teams will have fewer protection slots available for his or her Expansion Draft Protection List.
 1-2 new teams: 1 less protection slot (i.e. 8 for playoff teams, 9 for non-playoff teams)
 3-5 new teams: 2 less protection slots (i.e. 7 for playoff teams, 8 for non-playoff teams)
 6 or more new teams: 3 less protection slots (i.e. 6 for playoff teams, 7 for non-playoff teams)

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9 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 2:25 pm

Boba Fetts

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And you might get solid players like Crosby as long as you are not picking 30th overall and from my understanding of the rules, Crosby would only be on your team for two years because of his age. So by the time some nube is getting MacKinnon for the next eight years, you will be losing Crosby next year.

10 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:27 pm

Potamus Prime

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No you'd have Crosby for 6 years (players not highlighted on the spreadsheet will sign another Standard player contract after their current deal is expired). His current deal is 2 years, then he signs his last contract for 4 years when he is 28. Owners will be able to retain players until they are 32 years of age when they become Free Agents (as long as they are protected each year).

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11 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 3:34 pm

Boba Fetts

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Well at least I cleared up one thing for myself.

12 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:11 pm

Potamus Prime

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I realized the post on the forum of the draft list didn't show the highlighting of the excel spreadsheet -- will figure out how to turn on attachments and add it under the Commissioner Thread above for those who don't have a copy yet. Or just email me and I can send it along.

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13 Re: Draft order on Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:29 pm

Potamus Prime

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Thanks for your input Chad -- hopefully the post I made with attachment clears up any confusion in regard to player contracts. Basically, to keep it simple, a player you draft is yours until they are 32 years of age as long as you protect them each year.

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14 Re: Draft order on Fri Sep 20, 2013 6:53 pm

Boba Fetts

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Just to clarify your last post, using Henrick Lundqvist, is he gone next year when he turns 32, or does he sign a new contract next year?

15 Re: Draft order on Fri Sep 20, 2013 7:02 pm

Potamus Prime

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Nope Lundqvist is a Free Agent after one year. Should make it VERY interesting on draft day to see where guys like him go.

Love the avatar pic by the way!

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16 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:13 am

Cowboys22


Ok, another question for the commissioners. Ovi is listed in the spreadsheet as 28 and would sign a 4 year contract before UFA. I wonder if this is correct though. His birthday is Sept 17, so he was 27 on Sept 1 which seems to be the cutoff date. I think he should sign a 1 year contract now, and then could sign another 4 year contract. Could someone confirm?

17 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 11:33 am

Potamus Prime

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Cowboys22 wrote:Ok, another question for the commissioners.  Ovi is listed in the spreadsheet as 28 and would sign a 4 year contract before UFA.  I wonder if this is correct though.  His birthday is Sept 17, so he was 27 on Sept 1 which seems to be the cutoff date.  I think he should sign a 1 year contract now, and then could sign another 4 year contract.  Could someone confirm?
Sept. 1st was the date that we were planning to use. However this commish did not feel like databasing the birthday of every single NHL player individually, and so we are going with the cutoff listed in the The Sports Forecaster Hockey Yearbook.
 
I have emailed XML, who make the yearbook, to ask the date that they use, and this will become the official date in the constitution for future years. If their cutoff is earlier, and they have made a mistake, his contract will be adjusted accordingly though. Hope this is a satisfying enough answer?

 study It should be noted that the spirit of this rule was intended to reflect the age of a player at the start of a season, and since Ovi turned 28 on Tuesday he really should be on his last Standard Player Contract.

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18 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:04 pm

Cowboys22


Ok, thanks, no problem. Whatever is decided is fine. Just considering Malkin and Ovi for my 4th overall pick and seemed strange that I could have Malkin for 5 years, but Ovi for only 4 when they were from the same nhl entry draft.

19 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 12:12 pm

Potamus Prime

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I hear you, but Ovi is actually about 10 and a half months older than Malkin, and we have to make the cutoff somehow.

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20 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:01 pm

Cowboys22


Ok, one more question. I just wanted to confirm. There is no way to draft a guy like Ryan Strome, right? Not 2013 draft pick but has not played NHL game yet.

21 Re: Draft order on Sun Sep 22, 2013 1:11 pm

Potamus Prime

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Nope, though I guess he will be available via waivers...not an ideal situation, but I don't think there is much that we can do about it.

One of the reasons that we have no free protection at the end of this season (and only this season) is situations like this. If a GM does pick up Strome he will sign a 1 year $4.00 contract until the end of the season like all waiver wire pickups. 

If an owner wants to retain Strome he will have to be protected (from the Expansion Draft as well as the regular protection list prior to the NHL Draft). This is even if he is under 120 games played (normally a player under 120 games at the start of a season will not have to be protected). He will sign a Standard Player Contract at the end of the season. That way it will help to increase parity and reduce the advantage.

Reminder that all 2013 NHL entry draft draftees are not eligible to be drafted or picked up on the waiver wire this season.

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22 Re: Draft order on Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:43 am

Potamus Prime

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Cowboys22 wrote:Ok, another question for the commissioners.  Ovi is listed in the spreadsheet as 28 and would sign a 4 year contract before UFA.  I wonder if this is correct though.  His birthday is Sept 17, so he was 27 on Sept 1 which seems to be the cutoff date.  I think he should sign a 1 year contract now, and then could sign another 4 year contract.  Could someone confirm?
Here is our answer. The start of the NHL season. October 1st seems like a logical date to use, far better than Sept. 1 anyway. I'll update the constitution.

"Hi Charles,

Very glad to hear you really like the book and yes we do have a definite cutoff date on birth dates for the publication, which is 'Ages as of October 1, 2013', which is the opening day of the NHL season.


I hope this helps you and good luck with your new keeper league this year,
Digger

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digger@xmlteam.com"

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